• Thunderbird killfile

    From Michael F. Stemper@mstemper@gmail.com to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Fri Jan 29 13:11:50 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    I just tried to set up t-bird to kill articles that are cross-posted to alt.atheism.

    A message of that type had focus.

    I selected "Message / Create filter from message..."

    The first dropdown under Match ... had the following options:
    - From
    - Subject
    - Date
    - Size (KB)
    - Customize...

    I selected the "Customize..." dialog and added a New message header, Newsgroups. After closing that dialog, the first dropdown now
    included "Newsgroups". I then created a new filter that looks like:

    Newsgroups contains: alt.atheism

    Finally, I clicked "Run Now".

    Nothing happened. No error messages in the log, no changes in the
    articles shown.

    I've repeatedly gone through the dialog, spell- checking and
    sanity-checking. I even tried changing the header from "Newsgroups" to "Newsgroup". No difference.

    I can't find anything obviously wrong, so I appear not to have properly understood the kill mechanism.

    Is somebody willing to help me figure this out?
    --
    Michael F. Stemper
    Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
    Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
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  • From azigni@azigni@yahoo.com to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Fri Jan 29 19:47:53 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    I see it is quite a busy group. I imagine filtering by any of the choices won't work either.

    Just a guess as I don't use Thunderbird for ntp, but you are trying to
    filter on a newsgroup name, something Thunderbird is not able to do.


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  • From Grant Taylor@gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Fri Jan 29 13:11:47 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    On 1/29/21 12:11 PM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    I just tried to set up t-bird to kill articles that are cross-posted
    to alt.atheism.

    A message of that type had focus.

    I selected "Message / Create filter from message..."

    I've not used this method to create filters. I generally go to Tools -> Message Filters -> New

    The first dropdown under Match ... had the following options:
      - From
      - Subject
      - Date
      - Size (KB)
      - Customize...

    Newsgroups existed in the drop down.

    I selected the "Customize..." dialog and added a New message header, Newsgroups. After closing that dialog, the first dropdown now included "Newsgroups". I then created a new filter that looks like:

    I don't know if there is a conflict between the Newsgroups header that
    you added and -- what I think -- is built in or not.

      Newsgroups contains: alt.atheism

    That makes sense to me.

    Finally, I clicked "Run Now".

    Did you set an action?

    Nothing happened. No error messages in the log, no changes in the
    articles shown.

    There is a chance that the filter works, and that the action chosen was already done. E.g. marking a message a read does nothing on a message
    that has already been read.

    I've repeatedly gone through the dialog, spell- checking and sanity-checking. I even tried changing the header from "Newsgroups"
    to "Newsgroup". No difference.

    I can't find anything obviously wrong, so I appear not to have properly understood the kill mechanism.

    Is somebody willing to help me figure this out?

    Sure.

    Please provide the details of the rule's contents from Tools -> Message Filters -> Edit for the rule in question.



    --
    Grant. . . .
    unix || die
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  • From Grant Taylor@gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Fri Jan 29 13:13:30 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    On 1/29/21 12:11 PM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    Is somebody willing to help me figure this out?

    I've had some filters fail to work unless I tell Thunderbird to
    synchronize the newsgroup.

    I think it has to do with what data the filters run on. Specifically I
    think they run against the local data. Which synchronizing populates.
    Not all headers are populated before the message is loaded.

    Remember, news is only downloading the minimum before the message is read.



    --
    Grant. . . .
    unix || die
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  • From Mike Easter@MikeE@ster.invalid to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Fri Jan 29 12:35:21 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    I just tried to set up t-bird to kill articles that are cross-posted to alt.atheism.

    A message of that type had focus.

    I selected "Message / Create filter from message..."

    The first dropdown under Match ... had the following options:
      - From
      - Subject
      - Date
      - Size (KB)
      - Customize...

    I selected the "Customize..." dialog and added a New message header, Newsgroups. After closing that dialog, the first dropdown now
    included "Newsgroups". I then created a new filter that looks like:

      Newsgroups contains: alt.atheism

    Finally, I clicked "Run Now".

    Nothing happened. No error messages in the log, no changes in the
    articles shown.

    I've repeatedly gone through the dialog, spell- checking and
    sanity-checking. I even tried changing the header from "Newsgroups" to "Newsgroup". No difference.

    I can't find anything obviously wrong, so I appear not to have properly understood the kill mechanism.

    Is somebody willing to help me figure this out?

    When Tb gets a list of msg 'headers' to populate the thread pane, it
    gets a rather small subset of headers which are in the overview.

    A typical overview is such as this:
    list overview.fmt
    215 Order of fields in overview database.
    Subject:
    From:
    Date:
    Message-ID:
    References:
    Bytes:
    Lines:
    Xref:full

    ... which does not include newsgroups.

    However, the Xref does contain the name of your unwanted group.

    I tried to make a Tb filter to mark as read based on Xref, but it didn't
    work in Tb 68.10, so I don't know how to remedy your issue.

    Some newsreaders are much more powerful than Tb in terms of filtering
    because they have regex, wildcards, and scoring.


    --
    Mike Easter
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  • From Michael F. Stemper@mstemper@gmail.com to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Fri Jan 29 14:55:33 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    On 29/01/2021 14.11, Grant Taylor wrote:
    On 1/29/21 12:11 PM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    I just tried to set up t-bird to kill articles that are cross-posted
    to alt.atheism.

    A message of that type had focus.

    I selected "Message / Create filter from message..."

    I've not used this method to create filters.  I generally go to Tools -> Message Filters -> New

    I didn't know about that approach, but now I do.

    I don't know if there is a conflict between the Newsgroups header that
    you added and -- what I think -- is built in or not.

       Newsgroups contains: alt.atheism

    That makes sense to me.

    Finally, I clicked "Run Now".

    Did you set an action?

    "Delete Message" came pre-set.

    It appears to have been a headers issue, since when I went back into the newsgroup with the unwanted cross-posts, running the filter worked.

    Thanks all.

    --
    Michael F. Stemper
    Always use apostrophe's and "quotation marks" properly.
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