• Covid caused this group to be a dead group (practically)

    From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Fri Feb 5 02:53:18 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    I know it isn't true, but damn, guys... being at home a lot should
    mean MORE posts, not less!
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  • From gamo@gamo@telecable.es to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Fri Feb 5 05:40:13 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    El 5/2/21 a las 3:53, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org escribió:
    I know it isn't true, but damn, guys... being at home a lot should
    mean MORE posts, not less!


    Ub 20.04 happen to be pretty damn well done, so no errors, no shit in
    your face... by the system. I mean... I don't really want to talk
    good about systemd, but at least it works. Maybe one day it could
    be comprensible and usable, before it upgrade to a next version.

    --
    http://gamo.sdf-eu.org/
    perl -E 'say "Press return to continue";'
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  • From Francis S@whatisemail@mail.com to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Thu Feb 4 22:40:54 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 02:53:18 +0000 (UTC), DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    I know it isn't true, but damn, guys... being at home a lot should
    mean MORE posts, not less!

    Could be worse, this group could just be spam. Luckily it seems to be
    pretty clear of that.
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  • From jjb@invalid@invalid.nl to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Fri Feb 5 08:59:09 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    On 05-02-2021 05:40, Francis S wrote:
    On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 02:53:18 +0000 (UTC), DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    I know it isn't true, but damn, guys... being at home a lot should
    mean MORE posts, not less!

    Could be worse, this group could just be spam. Luckily it seems to be
    pretty clear of that.

    Even worse, seeing the average age of posters I hope it is not REALLY a
    dead group...
    jjb, age 72
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  • From Henry Crun@mike@rechtman.com to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Fri Feb 5 10:26:32 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    On 05/02/2021 9:59, jjb wrote:
    On 05-02-2021 05:40, Francis S wrote:
    On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 02:53:18 +0000 (UTC),
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    I know it isn't true, but damn, guys... being at home a lot should
    mean MORE posts, not less!

    Could be worse, this group could just be spam. Luckily it seems to be
    pretty clear of that.

    Even worse, seeing the average age of posters I hope it is not REALLY a
    dead group...
    jjb, age 72

    ... young whipper-snapper


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  • From Jonathan N. Little@lws4art@gmail.com to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Fri Feb 5 08:55:23 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    gamo wrote:
    El 5/2/21 a las 3:53, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org escribió:
    I know it isn't true, but damn, guys...  being at home a lot should
    mean MORE posts, not less!


    Ub 20.04 happen to be pretty damn well done, so no errors, no shit in
    your face... by the system. I mean... I don't really want to talk
    good about systemd, but at least it works. Maybe one day it could
    be comprensible and usable, before it upgrade to a next version.


    Busy upgrading servers and systems from 16.04 to 20.04. BTW Oracle
    getting MySql 'Prophecy of Doom' is realized with v5.7 to 8.0 breakage-a-thon... Need motivation for MySql to MariaDb migration? Well
    this is it!

    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Fri Feb 5 14:43:30 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    jjb <invalid@invalid.nl> wrote in news:rvitsc$t2q$1@gioia.aioe.org:

    On 05-02-2021 05:40, Francis S wrote:
    On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 02:53:18 +0000 (UTC),
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    I know it isn't true, but damn, guys... being at home a lot
    should mean MORE posts, not less!

    Could be worse, this group could just be spam. Luckily it seems
    to be pretty clear of that.

    Even worse, seeing the average age of posters I hope it is not
    REALLY a dead group...
    jjb, age 72


    60 here. Will ya still need me... will ya still feed me when I'm 64?
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  • From Bit Twister@BitTwister@mouse-potato.com to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Fri Feb 5 08:45:05 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 08:55:23 -0500, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
    gamo wrote:

    Busy upgrading servers and systems from 16.04 to 20.04. BTW Oracle
    getting MySql 'Prophecy of Doom' is realized with v5.7 to 8.0 breakage-a-thon... Need motivation for MySql to MariaDb migration?

    Be aware that MariaDb requires stronger user passwords. See
    https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28289
    Bug 28289 - mythtv: mc.sql ERROR 1819 (HY000) at line 2:
    /usr/share/mythtv/initialdb/mc.sql needs password correcting

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Fri Feb 5 14:45:30 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    Henry Crun <mike@rechtman.com> wrote in news:o2cveh-2vfn2.ln1@ubuntu.mike-r.com:

    On 05/02/2021 9:59, jjb wrote:
    On 05-02-2021 05:40, Francis S wrote:
    On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 02:53:18 +0000 (UTC),
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    I know it isn't true, but damn, guys... being at home a lot
    should mean MORE posts, not less!

    Could be worse, this group could just be spam. Luckily it seems
    to be pretty clear of that.

    Even worse, seeing the average age of posters I hope it is not
    REALLY a dead group...
    jjb, age 72

    ... young whipper-snapper



    <https://youtu.be/j_QLzthSkfM>
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  • From Jonathan N. Little@lws4art@gmail.com to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Fri Feb 5 10:29:36 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    Bit Twister wrote:
    On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 08:55:23 -0500, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
    gamo wrote:

    Busy upgrading servers and systems from 16.04 to 20.04. BTW Oracle
    getting MySql 'Prophecy of Doom' is realized with v5.7 to 8.0
    breakage-a-thon... Need motivation for MySql to MariaDb migration?

    Be aware that MariaDb requires stronger user passwords. See
    https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28289
    Bug 28289 - mythtv: mc.sql ERROR 1819 (HY000) at line 2:
    /usr/share/mythtv/initialdb/mc.sql needs password correcting


    Good to know. Well U 20.04 is using version 10.3.x so this must apply to
    a newer version. Well definitely break the library's Koha install in the future... But we are still not talking about the breakage from MySql 5.7
    to 8.0.

    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
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  • From Bobbie Sellers@bliss@mouse-potato.com to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Fri Feb 5 07:53:57 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    On 2/4/21 8:40 PM, gamo wrote:
    El 5/2/21 a las 3:53, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org escribió:
    I know it isn't true, but damn, guys...  being at home a lot should
    mean MORE posts, not less!


    Ub 20.04 happen to be pretty damn well done, so no errors, no shit in
    your face... by the system. I mean... I don't really want to talk
    good about systemd, but at least it works. Maybe one day it could
    be comprensible and usable, before it upgrade to a next version.


    No no Gamo, Incomprehensibility is a feature for the
    Enterprises as the the people who do the work will not mess
    with the IT's work.PCLinuxOS 64 just works as well, and so does
    Linux Lite and quite a few others. Latest Puppy is just fine.

    bliss age 83

    --
    bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com
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  • From Sjouke Burry@burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Fri Feb 5 18:17:15 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    On 05.02.21 15:43, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
    jjb <invalid@invalid.nl> wrote in news:rvitsc$t2q$1@gioia.aioe.org:

    On 05-02-2021 05:40, Francis S wrote:
    On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 02:53:18 +0000 (UTC),
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    I know it isn't true, but damn, guys... being at home a lot
    should mean MORE posts, not less!

    Could be worse, this group could just be spam. Luckily it seems
    to be pretty clear of that.

    Even worse, seeing the average age of posters I hope it is not
    REALLY a dead group...
    jjb, age 72


    60 here. Will ya still need me... will ya still feed me when I'm 64?

    Only if you sit up and beg/bark......
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  • From Simon@ss@cio.invalid to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Fri Feb 5 20:23:56 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    Subject: Covid caused this group to be a dead group (practically)

    It is trolling.

    There is little difference in the numbers of posts between 2019 and
    2020. While 2019 had significantly fewer posts than 2018, that all
    happened before Covid.


    I know it isn't true,

    It knows that it is trolling.


    but damn, guys... being at home a lot should
    mean MORE posts, not less!

    It knows WHY it is trolling. It wants us to entertain it while it is
    stuck at home.


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  • From andrew@andrew@skamandros.invalid to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Sat Feb 6 02:10:15 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    On 2021-02-05, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:
    I know it isn't true, but damn, guys... being at home a lot should
    mean MORE posts, not less!

    I have been lurking :)

    Andrew
    --
    Do you think that's air you're breathing?
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Sat Feb 6 14:59:04 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> wrote in news:601d7d9b$0$14521$e4fe514c@textnews.kpn.nl:

    On 05.02.21 15:43, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
    jjb <invalid@invalid.nl> wrote in
    news:rvitsc$t2q$1@gioia.aioe.org:

    On 05-02-2021 05:40, Francis S wrote:
    On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 02:53:18 +0000 (UTC),
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    I know it isn't true, but damn, guys... being at home a lot
    should mean MORE posts, not less!

    Could be worse, this group could just be spam. Luckily it seems
    to be pretty clear of that.

    Even worse, seeing the average age of posters I hope it is not
    REALLY a dead group...
    jjb, age 72


    60 here. Will ya still need me... will ya still feed me when
    I'm 64?

    Only if you sit up and beg/bark......

    Better than you, unable to sit up, because you are what exits the
    dog's ass.

    Thanks for playing though... Nice try, shitlog. You lose.

    Maybe think first before you try to make a thread an insult fest.

    And I had you on the intelligent person list...
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Sat Feb 6 15:05:31 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    Simon Spews <ss@cio.invalid> wrote in
    news:IPhTH.13141$U496.1865@usenetxs.com:

    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    Subject: Covid caused this group to be a dead group (practically)

    It is trolling.

    Yet another abject idiot. My reference was to recent posts, not a
    year long aggregate claim by a diumbfuck who likely didn't even
    examine any real statistics but merely spews forth in an attempt to
    insult. A Dipshit, that's what you are. So YOU are the fucking
    jackass who likes to spout the T word. As you perform it yourself.

    There is little difference in the numbers of posts between 2019
    and 2020. While 2019 had significantly fewer posts than 2018,
    that all happened before Covid.


    I know it isn't true,

    It knows that it is trolling.

    It? You are a shit log. That decidedly makes you the it.

    but damn, guys... being at home a lot should
    mean MORE posts, not less!

    It knows WHY it is trolling. It wants us to entertain it while it
    is stuck at home.

    No. I want to hit jackas fucktards like you with a curare dart so
    we no longer have to see your inane posts, and rest in the knowledge
    that you are fully conscious but anabale to lift a finger and just
    lay there in your own defecation instead of spewing it into this
    group.

    If you are a little slow on the uptake, jackass. I just said "Fuck
    You", and "FUCK OFF AND DIE".
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  • From gamo@gamo@telecable.es to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Sun Feb 7 20:02:29 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    El 5/2/21 a las 16:53, Bobbie Sellers escribió:
    On 2/4/21 8:40 PM, gamo wrote:
    El 5/2/21 a las 3:53, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org escribió: >>> I know it isn't true, but damn, guys...  being at home a lot should
    mean MORE posts, not less!


    Ub 20.04 happen to be pretty damn well done, so no errors, no shit in
    your face... by the system. I mean... I don't really want to talk
    good about systemd, but at least it works. Maybe one day it could
    be comprensible and usable, before it upgrade to a next version.


        No no Gamo, Incomprehensibility is a feature for the
    Enterprises as the the people who do the work will not mess
    with the IT's work.PCLinuxOS 64 just works as well, and so does
    Linux Lite and quite a few others.  Latest Puppy is just fine.

        bliss age 83


    Ok, but new computers are sold just to run more fancy interfaces.
    Not just now. Gnome 40 seems to be more or less the same, more
    beautiful. People will like it and others don't.

    I remember the time in which you can send an email in the command
    line. Just one line. Now you are doing more or less the same
    using an entire screen.



    --
    http://gamo.sdf-eu.org/
    perl -E 'say "Press return to continue";'
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  • From Anssi Saari@as@sci.fi to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Mon Feb 8 09:13:05 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    gamo <gamo@telecable.es> writes:

    I remember the time in which you can send an email in the command
    line. Just one line.

    That time hasn't gone, it's still entirely doable. A little hard to put
    design into emails with that system though.
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  • From gamo@gamo@telecable.es to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Wed Feb 10 06:41:47 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    El 8/2/21 a las 8:13, Anssi Saari escribió:
    gamo <gamo@telecable.es> writes:

    I remember the time in which you can send an email in the command
    line. Just one line.

    That time hasn't gone, it's still entirely doable. A little hard to put design into emails with that system though.


    Sure. You have to strip down things. Anyone here use mutt?


    --
    http://gamo.sdf-eu.org/
    perl -E 'say "Press return to continue";'
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  • From Anssi Saari@as@sci.fi to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Wed Feb 10 13:53:11 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    gamo <gamo@telecable.es> writes:

    El 8/2/21 a las 8:13, Anssi Saari escribi:
    gamo <gamo@telecable.es> writes:

    I remember the time in which you can send an email in the command
    line. Just one line.

    That time hasn't gone, it's still entirely doable. A little hard to put
    design into emails with that system though.


    Sure. You have to strip down things. Anyone here use mutt?

    Yep, especially for spam filter adjustments. I use Bogofilter as a spam
    filter and it's worth it to feed misses to it to improve the
    filtering. Although I'm not getting much in the way of spam anyways
    these days. I guess the address harvesting is done outside of Usenet and
    IRC now.
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  • From gamo@gamo@telecable.es to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Wed Feb 10 15:57:31 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    El 10/2/21 a las 12:53, Anssi Saari escribió:
    gamo <gamo@telecable.es> writes:

    El 8/2/21 a las 8:13, Anssi Saari escribió:
    gamo <gamo@telecable.es> writes:

    I remember the time in which you can send an email in the command
    line. Just one line.

    That time hasn't gone, it's still entirely doable. A little hard to put
    design into emails with that system though.


    Sure. You have to strip down things. Anyone here use mutt?

    Yep, especially for spam filter adjustments. I use Bogofilter as a spam filter and it's worth it to feed misses to it to improve the
    filtering. Although I'm not getting much in the way of spam anyways
    these days. I guess the address harvesting is done outside of Usenet and
    IRC now.


    I have a book about the passed spam wave, "SPAM NATION", but does not
    have much technical details.

    --
    http://gamo.sdf-eu.org/
    perl -E 'say "Press return to continue";'
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  • From Bobbie Sellers@bliss@mouse-potato.com to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Thu Feb 18 12:44:55 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    On 2/4/21 8:40 PM, gamo wrote:
    El 5/2/21 a las 3:53, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org escribió:
    I know it isn't true, but damn, guys...  being at home a lot should
    mean MORE posts, not less!


    Ub 20.04 happen to be pretty damn well done, so no errors, no shit in
    your face... by the system. I mean... I don't really want to talk
    good about systemd, but at least it works. Maybe one day it could
    be comprensible and usable, before it upgrade to a next version.


    About 20.04 yes.

    The Ubuntu team have issued a hot fix for the recently released
    Ubuntu 20.04.2 media. The new fix, called 20.04.2.0, corrects an issue
    where the Ubiquity system installer could fail to properly install the
    Linux kernel on a new system. "Shortly after the release of Ubuntu
    20.04.2, on Thursday February 4 2021, a regression was discovered which
    means that on certain systems and under certain specific conditions the
    Ubuntu installer can fail to install a Linux kernel. This renders the
    system unable to boot. After carefully analyzing the impact of this regression, the release team took the decision to reissue images of
    20.04.2 with a corrected version of the installer. These images are now available, versioned as 20.04.2.0." Details on the bug and affected
    Ubuntu community flavours can be found in this mailing list post.

    You can read about it yourself at the Distrowatch Weekly newsletter. <https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?pollnumber=293&myaction=NewVote&issue=20210215&newvote=4#poll>

    About systemd: No you do not need it to have a
    working Linux computer.
    Check for Devuan and get a KDE Desktop Environment. or
    you could emulate this poster and move PCLinuxOS64,
    a "rolling release" that is a bit old-fashioned in some
    respects but a great learning experience but neither is
    using systemd. You also can try out MX-Linux, AntiX Linux,
    Puppy and a few others.

    I can see that there might be a need for such as
    systemd in enterprise distributions like Red Hat but fail
    to see any use for it in personal computing which is not
    all I do but mostly.

    bliss -I have an athletic Nose! It runs in all weathers...

    --
    bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com
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  • From Henry Crun@mike@rechtman.com to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Fri Feb 19 07:44:46 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    On 18/02/2021 22:44, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    more relevant material snipped...


        bliss -I have an athletic Nose! It runs in all weathers...


    recalled from a long-distant schooltime youth:

    Does your nose run and your feet smell? You must be upside down.

    --
    Mike R.
    Home: http://alpha.mike-r.com/
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    Recommended reading: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before
    and: http://alpha.mike-r.com/jargon/T/top-post.html
    Missile address: N31.7624/E34.9691
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  • From Bud Frede@frede@mouse-potato.com to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Sun Feb 28 14:55:11 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> writes:


    I can see that there might be a need for such as
    systemd in enterprise distributions like Red Hat but fail
    to see any use for it in personal computing which is not
    all I do but mostly.

    I prefer systemd on my personal computers - or at least on those that
    don't use launchd. :-)

    I feel that systemd works well for both servers and for personal
    computers. It works well on the various Raspberry Pi's that I have
    running at home too.

    The only thing that I'm running right now that doesn't use systemd or an equivalent is my firewall, which runs on HardenedBSD.

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@bliss@mouse-potato.com to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Sun Feb 28 17:22:50 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    On 2/28/21 11:55 AM, Bud Frede wrote:
    Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> writes:


    I can see that there might be a need for such as
    systemd in enterprise distributions like Red Hat but fail
    to see any use for it in personal computing which is not
    all I do but mostly.

    I prefer systemd on my personal computers - or at least on those that
    don't use launchd. :-)

    I feel that systemd works well for both servers and for personal
    computers. It works well on the various Raspberry Pi's that I have
    running at home too.

    The only thing that I'm running right now that doesn't use systemd or an equivalent is my firewall, which runs on HardenedBSD.

    And how does systemd contribute to your use of the computer?
    I see that you use HardenedBSD so I doubt it contributes to your security.
    bliss

    --
    bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com
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  • From Bud Frede@frede@mouse-potato.com to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Tue Mar 2 05:04:18 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> writes:

    On 2/28/21 11:55 AM, Bud Frede wrote:
    Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> writes:


    I can see that there might be a need for such as
    systemd in enterprise distributions like Red Hat but fail
    to see any use for it in personal computing which is not
    all I do but mostly.
    I prefer systemd on my personal computers - or at least on those
    that
    don't use launchd. :-)
    I feel that systemd works well for both servers and for personal
    computers. It works well on the various Raspberry Pi's that I have
    running at home too.
    The only thing that I'm running right now that doesn't use systemd
    or an
    equivalent is my firewall, which runs on HardenedBSD.

    And how does systemd contribute to your use of the computer?
    I see that you use HardenedBSD so I doubt it contributes to your security.
    bliss

    It's far easier to use and more feature-rich than the hodge-podge of
    init scripts we had before. Upstart had some good features, but I still
    needed to use things like daemontools, god, or supervisord.

    Here's an example of how systemd helps me:

    I regularly work with an app that needs access to its data files when
    starting up. It can use init scripts or systemd and not all environments
    have switched to using systemd for this yet. (They're mission-critical production environments, so the people that run them are very
    conservative when it comes to making changes.)

    Some of those environments use NFS for some of this app's data
    files. With init scripts starting this app, the app will start up even
    if there isn't any network connectivity. "Bad things happen" when it
    starts up with missing data files.

    Systemd prevents this by not letting the app start unless it has what it
    needs. Dependencies have to be met before systemd will start the app.

    Another example if that the mechanisms for controlling services are now
    the same from distro to distro. In the past each distro had its own set
    of init scripts, with different options, etc. It was a PITA to deal with
    it all. I find it much easier to work with multiple distros now, and to understand how they boot and manage services.

    A lot of the peripherals we use today are hot-plug. We have high-speed connections like USB available and don't have to permanently plug things
    in to the motherboard as much as we used to. Our use of hardware is more
    fluid, and systemd manages this far better than init scripts ever did.

    As for security, it's now easier to manage services and understand how
    my systems boot, so I'd say that security is improved with systemd.

    My firewall running HardenedBSD doesn't necessarily say anything about
    systemd or my use of it and Linux on various systems. Firewalls have
    different requirements than a typical desktop or server. In addition,
    there are some very good firewall packages that do use systemd. I just
    happen to use one that runs on BSD.

    The major drawback to systemd is that it requires us to learn something
    new. In my case, I need to learn new things all the time anyway, and as
    for systemd, I started putting my time in with it years ago, so it's not
    an issue.

    The way I see systemd is that it's basically all upside and no real
    downside at this point. Why wouldn't I want to use it?

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