• Microsoft embracing Linux inside Windows 19

    From art@deb.de@"art@deb.de" to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Sun May 2 13:40:41 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    The secret of Microsoft's success. Microsoft has special people who search
    everywhere on the internet for anything that might be a technological
    advance in mostly software technology because software is easy to steal,
    buy or copy. In the 1980's Bill Gates had seen cp/m from Gary Kildall and
    told IBM that Microsoft could provide an operating system. Bill Gates and
    Steve Ballmer simply bought a cheap cp/m rip-off named Q-dos for $50,000
    illegally stolen by Tim Paterson who simply copied it from disassembled
    cp/m machine code. Gary Kildall found out and tried to sue IBM and
    Microsoft. Unfortunately for Gary, Bill Gates father was a powerfull lawyer
    employed by the Rockefeller family, so the judge made a statement. For
    every PC wheter an original IBM or a IBM clone, customers had to pay
    Microsoft even when the customer only wanted Gary's cp/m based dr-dos.
    These practises are still used by Microsoft today. If you want a laptop or
    PC you are forced to buy it with a Microsoft product named Windows. They
    pretend you have a choice to not pay for Windows. Usually if you do not
    want Windows, they have to take out the harddrive with its Windows recovery
    partition and to replace it with a clean harddrive. So buying a PC or
    laptop without Windows will simply cost you more. Most stores however
    simply refuse you to sell the PC or laptop if you don't want Windows. Did
    Microsoft invented Windows themselves? Is Windows stolen technology? And
    Bill Gates had seen Xerox Star so he bought such a Xerox Star machine (made
    in 1978), it would take Microsoft 13 years to duplicate its operating
    system capabilities, and they named it Windows 3.1. Meanwhile Gary Kildall
    got a tragic accident, unexplainable head injury wich caused his death
    shortly after writing a book that Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer steal
    technology from whomever they can. Gary's son is still scared of Microsoft
    so the book remains sealed. And Microsoft kept on stealing technology.
    Visicalc became Microsofy Excell. Borland became Microsoft Developer
    Studio, Wordstar became Microsoft word. Netscape became Internet Explorer.
    3dFx became Microsoft directX, Lernaut&Hauspie became Microsoft speech
    synthesis and recognition. Even the Windows 95 taskbar and startmenu where
    stolen from a graphical user interface made by another company in 1987 than
    named Icon Bar. Almost nobody knows the original inventors of the by
    Microsoft stolen technology and about the highly unexplainable death rates
    under original software inventors. Who knows Stacker? The company from who
    Microsoft stole their compression technology for filesystems? Even fat32
    the filesystem for wich other companies have to pay Microsoft for, was
    stolen. Microsoft hires special companies to scare programmers and
    inventors with braindead, cardiac arrest, lifelong unemployement, lifelong
    prosecution, tragic car accidents (Avalon programmer found dead, Netscape
    programmers found blood on their PC's, programmers wrapped and choked to
    death naked in their own bedsheets, Gary Kildall's dead, Remy Belvaux's
    dead, and many more....) These programmers had all one thing in common,
    they made something Microsoft wanted, and for some reason Bill Gates and
    Steve Ballmer simply for no reason wanted them dead. All Microsoft does is
    hire professional companies to search and kill programmers for their code,
    work or something else Microsoft wants or sees as a threat. This is
    Microsoft's business model. In 2001 e.g. a second grade university student
    made the graphical command line interface. You just had to see it to know
    it was innovative. You typed in commands just like dos but it had the same
    capabilities like a webbrowser and came with its own compiler for it.
    Imagine a dos prompt with images, buttons, windows, 3d reality, video
    support, the internet as if it where a directory on your local harddrive.
    And steve.ballmer@ceo.microsoft.com and bill.gates@chairman.microsoft.com
    send the young programmer a contract that he would never talk about it,
    that it now was Microsoft property, Microsoft would not have to pay any
    costs. But the programmer refused and mailed them he would make it open
    source. And Steve Ballmer mailed the student it would be tragic to suffer a
    tragic and horrifying death. You can search google for 'Steve Ballmer
    kill....' and you will find that Steve Ballmer even threatens highly placed
    people with death and evenso boasted that he killed people before. You
    don't have to guess, the programmer who made the graphical commandline
    interface got infected with a tragic bacteria from his PC's keyboard, got
    blind and later went into coma and drained in his own blood when his lungs
    collapsed vomiting blood in the process. Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer have
    special ruthless people specialised in these kind of crimes. The
    programmers girlfriend experienced a tragic unexplainable head trauma
    causing prolonged coma, she will never talk again. These things happen
    because people believe Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer are kind and loving
    persons. Students who invent innovative products really believe Microsoft
    is an honest business. Meanwhile Bill Gates paid over $40 million dollar to
    elect George Bush. The first thing Bush did was dropping all antitrust
    charges from many companies all over America against Microsoft providing
    Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer with diplomatic immunity. Bill also finances
    Bush his reelection. As a member of the Gates family Bill and Microsoft
    have all the support from the highest than CIA official Robert Gates, the
    Rockerfellers and Rothschilds. Microsofts bribes law officials, police
    officers, hires companies like Blackwater all to kill off anyone who they
    can steal from. But why does Microsoft not provide the customer with a
    graphical command line interface? The answer is simple, no matter how good
    something might be, it does not force people to buy more copies of
    Microsoft Windows. The graphical commandline interface will one day show up
    as an invention by Microsoft Research just like oil companies kill off
    inventors who make engines a tiny bit more efficient. Compare Microsoft's
    power with an oil company. One big oil company named Microsoft stealing and
    killing people who have little bits of oil and then forcing customers to
    buy Microsoft oil, and a small tiny oil company named Apple, and a company
    giving their oil away for free named Linux. Microsoft will ever have to
    keep on killing young smart but naive programmers all over the world
    especially before they might contribute to Linux. Microsoft deliberately
    keeps stolen technology off the market, reducing advancement in operating
    systems.

    Innovative young smart and naive programmers are simply murdered before they
    can contribute to Linux. These pour souls believe in the lie that Microsoft
    pays for an invention. Like steve.ballmer@ceo.microsoft.com once said to
    such a tragic soul 'Nothing provides me more pleasure than to know you will
    die an extremely painful death!' Read more search on google for 'Why I hate
    Microsoft' 'Xerox Star' 'Programmer found dead' 'Gary Kildall the man who
    could have been Bill Gates' 'Steve Ballmer kill...' 'Microsoft's touch of
    death' When Bush was reelected people thought the voting computers where
    messed with. You can search for how many Diebold computerprogrammers where
    found dead suddenly. This is the business model of Microsoft, even bribing
    the president. See Bush and Gates together celebrating their crimes, google
    for 'bill gates and bush' on google image search. The only solution for
    young programmers is to not innovate. To not make software wich never has
    been made before. And if they still want to do it, they have to work for
    free by making it open source and work with many other open source people.
    Sure Steve Ballmer calls Linux programmers cancers who attach themselves to
    Microsofts intellectual property, but these programmers have no other
    choice. Microsoft is not an example of capitalism. In capitalism several
    manufacturers or producers offer their products, the market determines a
    fair price. Compare this to Microsoft's exorbitantly high profit margins
    over 80%, they simply force their customers to buy it, they kill off any
    competition. Communism means everything belongs to the state, in this case
    everything belongs to Microsoft (they even own the president), so Microsoft
    is far more likely like communism in its worst form, a nightmare for any
    unknowing naive programmer facing an evil never seen in the software
    industry before.

    edit: Corporatism is not even the cruelest word.


    See the graphical command line interface here
    https://youtu.be/0X6ZQspcWI8




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  • From Heinz Schmitz@HeinzSchmitz@kra.org to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Tue May 4 14:10:01 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    Debian Bastard wrote:

    ...
    For
    every PC wheter an original IBM or a IBM clone, customers had to pay Microsoft even when the customer only wanted Gary's cp/m based dr-dos.
    These practises are still used by Microsoft today. If you want a laptop or
    PC you are forced to buy it with a Microsoft product named Windows. They pretend you have a choice to not pay for Windows. Usually if you do not
    want Windows, they have to take out the harddrive with its Windows recovery partition and to replace it with a clean harddrive. So buying a PC or
    laptop without Windows will simply cost you more. Most stores however
    simply refuse you to sell the PC or laptop if you don't want Windows.

    Buy the components and build your own PC. Bill will never know :-).

    Regards,
    H.



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  • From Janis Papanagnou@janis_papanagnou@hotmail.com to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Tue May 4 15:27:47 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    On 04.05.2021 14:10, Heinz Schmitz wrote:
    Debian Bastard wrote:

    [...] So buying a PC or
    laptop without Windows will simply cost you more. Most stores however
    simply refuse you to sell the PC or laptop if you don't want Windows.

    Buy the components and build your own PC. Bill will never know :-).

    (I haven't read the triple-posted rant of the OP; looked like spam.)

    Hereabouts there are companies who sell PCs with Linux pre-installed,
    and other companies that sell "empty" notebooks (without OS) at least
    for students, and these PCs are also cheaper without the MS license.
    Assembling one is, of course, another option since decades where all
    components in the PC market are widely standardized. Occasionally
    there's a chance that you can inherit an older Windows PC from your
    company that fits well for a resource-efficient Linux installation.
    (Been there just recently.) These days I plan to de-Apple a macbook
    that hasn't been updated (for "political" reasons) since many years
    and refuses to continue running with the old MacOS-X. Who cares what
    MS does when there's still enough options. (The producers of drivers
    and applications is the bigger problem.)

    Janis

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  • From Jeff Layman@jmlayman@invalid.invalid to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Tue May 4 14:46:06 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    On 04/05/2021 14:27, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
    On 04.05.2021 14:10, Heinz Schmitz wrote:
    Debian Bastard wrote:

    [...] So buying a PC or
    laptop without Windows will simply cost you more. Most stores however
    simply refuse you to sell the PC or laptop if you don't want Windows.

    Buy the components and build your own PC. Bill will never know :-).

    (I haven't read the triple-posted rant of the OP; looked like spam.)

    Hereabouts there are companies who sell PCs with Linux pre-installed,
    and other companies that sell "empty" notebooks (without OS) at least
    for students, and these PCs are also cheaper without the MS license. Assembling one is, of course, another option since decades where all components in the PC market are widely standardized. Occasionally
    there's a chance that you can inherit an older Windows PC from your
    company that fits well for a resource-efficient Linux installation.
    (Been there just recently.) These days I plan to de-Apple a macbook
    that hasn't been updated (for "political" reasons) since many years
    and refuses to continue running with the old MacOS-X. Who cares what
    MS does when there's still enough options. (The producers of drivers
    and applications is the bigger problem.)

    Lots of choices here:
    <https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=hardware>

    In Europe have a look here if you want a laptop:
    <https://laptopwithlinux.com/>
    Any of those with Win10 will cost extra.

    --

    Jeff
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  • From mechanic@mechanic@example.net to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Tue May 4 16:15:00 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    On Tue, 4 May 2021 14:46:06 +0100, Jeff Layman wrote:

    In Europe have a look here if you want a laptop: <https://laptopwithlinux.com/>
    Any of those with Win10 will cost extra.

    These are nice, and the NUCs on the site are too.
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  • From Heinz Schmitz@HeinzSchmitz@kra.org to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Wed May 5 12:34:14 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    mechanic wrote:

    On Tue, 4 May 2021 14:46:06 +0100, Jeff Layman wrote:

    In Europe have a look here if you want a laptop:
    <https://laptopwithlinux.com/>
    Any of those with Win10 will cost extra.

    These are nice, and the NUCs on the site are too.

    As most anybody nowadays will throw away their equipment as
    soon as a trace of dust is visible on it, ebay is a good source for
    components, if you avoid to fall prey to a junk-seller. Much money
    to be saved thus, and still usable parts rescued from the dump.

    Regards,
    H.


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  • From wicklowham@wicklowham.nospam@rfburns.eu to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Wed May 5 12:03:00 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    On 04/05/2021 14:46, Jeff Layman wrote:


    Lots of choices here:
    ========

    Personally I went for a second hand dated Win 10 i5 CPU laptop with
    DVD drive,replaced the HD with a low cost 256GB SSD ,for a total of Euro 300.00 and installed Linux Mint
    The only possibly future cost would be a new battery pack.

    Frank in County Wicklow - Ireland
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  • From Bobbie Sellers@bliss@mouse-potato.com to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Wed May 5 09:01:32 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    On 5/5/21 4:03 AM, wicklowham wrote:
    On 04/05/2021 14:46, Jeff Layman wrote:


    Lots of choices here:
    ========

    Personally I went for a second hand dated Win 10  i5 CPU laptop with DVD drive,replaced the HD with a low cost 256GB SSD ,for a total of Euro
    300.00 and installed Linux Mint
    The only possibly future cost would be a new battery pack.

    Frank in County Wicklow -  Ireland

    Right on Frank! in Wicklow.
    Last year, Annus horribilis, my LUG went to Jit.si meetings and
    I had no camera on any of my machines, I found a local seller
    on Craig's List and got a Dell Latitude E7450 for $240 and stuck
    a $50, 500 GB SSD in it. Much more totable than my E6540, if
    not quite as powerful.

    bliss-“Nearly any fool can use a GNU/Linux computer. Many do.” After
    all here I am...


    --
    bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Wed May 5 19:21:28 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    On 5/5/21 4:03 AM, wicklowham wrote:
    On 04/05/2021 14:46, Jeff Layman wrote:


    Lots of choices here:
    ========

    Personally I went for a second hand dated Win 10 i5 CPU laptop with
    DVD drive,replaced the HD with a low cost 256GB SSD ,for a total of
    Euro 300.00 and installed Linux Mint
    The only possibly future cost would be a new battery pack.

    Frank in County Wicklow - Ireland

    Right on Frank! in Wicklow.
    Last year, Annus horribilis, my LUG went to Jit.si meetings and
    I had no camera on any of my machines, I found a local seller
    on Craig's List and got a Dell Latitude E7450 for $240 and stuck
    a $50, 500 GB SSD in it. Much more totable than my E6540, if
    not quite as powerful.

    bliss-“Nearly any fool can use a GNU/Linux computer. Many do.” After all here I am...

    There are a few USB webcams back in stores now.
    They came back several months ago, rather quietly.
    Get one with the square jaw thing, to hold onto
    the top of the monitor.

    Previously, my local computer store was showing
    zero stock.

    You don't have to pay a lot for a webcam - the hardest
    part is probably microphones. A lot of webcams, the
    microphone is a secondary consideration and not good
    for video conference. There are a few with stereo and
    beamforming, for noise reduction. Typically what happens,
    is if you have a meeting, the webcam captures the
    fan noise of the computer nicely, and it sounds like
    the boiler room on the Enterprise :-) I put a
    lot of effort into suppressing that noise here,
    by shutting off the main computer and using
    a computer in the corner of the room and a long
    cable for the webcam.

    One of the reasons webcams don't have to be fancy, is
    because only 640x480 @ 30FPS is practical for conferencing.
    A 3000x2000 picture on a webcam, would only be suitable
    with Bill Gates 10GbE Internet connection :-) When I have
    to use video conference, it's handy using 640x480,
    because you can use the "digital pan" control on a
    good webcam and frame your head in the picture without
    having to scrunch down in your chair. You can sit normally
    and select just a portion out of a bigger picture being
    captured. I think mine is selecting 640x480 out of
    a maximum of 1600x1200 pixels.

    If you force the camera to capture the larger picture,
    like 1600x1200, the frame rate drops to 5FPS due to the
    USB cable. The 640x480 gives full 30FPS and when
    you wave your hand through the picture, it's a smooth
    wave (as long as your Internet connection can do
    around 1Mbit/sec up).

    Since conferencing is normally quite a sad affair, you
    could just as easily substitute a static image of yourself
    sitting in the chair and no-one would notice. The important
    part, is having a good audio setup. I use headphones, even
    though the conference is echo-suppressed, as then there's
    no way for squeals or howls from the kit. For a microphone,
    I use a separate mic on a home made boom. That's to keep
    the microphone away from the webcam autofocus motor.

    Paul
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  • From Bobbie Sellers@bliss@mouse-potato.com to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Wed May 5 16:54:09 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    On 5/5/21 4:21 PM, Paul wrote:
    Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    On 5/5/21 4:03 AM, wicklowham wrote:
    On 04/05/2021 14:46, Jeff Layman wrote:


    Lots of choices here:
    ========

    Personally I went for a second hand dated Win 10  i5 CPU laptop with
    DVD drive,replaced the HD with a low cost 256GB SSD ,for a total of
    Euro 300.00 and installed Linux Mint
    The only possibly future cost would be a new battery pack.

    Frank in County Wicklow -  Ireland

    Right on Frank! in Wicklow.
    Last year, Annus horribilis, my LUG went to Jit.si meetings and
    I had no camera on any of my machines,  I found a local seller
    on Craig's List and got a Dell Latitude E7450 for $240 and stuck
    a $50, 500 GB SSD in it.   Much more totable than my E6540, if
    not quite as powerful.

        bliss-“Nearly any fool can use a GNU/Linux computer. Many do.” >> After all here I am...

    There are a few USB webcams back in stores now.
    They came back several months ago, rather quietly.
    Get one with the square jaw thing, to hold onto
    the top of the monitor.

    Previously, my local computer store was showing
    zero stock.

    You don't have to pay a lot for a webcam - the hardest
    part is probably microphones. A lot of webcams, the
    microphone is a secondary consideration and not good
    for video conference. There are a few with stereo and
    beamforming, for noise reduction. Typically what happens,
    is if you have a meeting, the webcam captures the
    fan noise of the computer nicely, and it sounds like
    the boiler room on the Enterprise :-) I put a
    lot of effort into suppressing that noise here,
    by shutting off the main computer and using
    a computer in the corner of the room and a long
    cable for the webcam.

    One of the reasons webcams don't have to be fancy, is
    because only 640x480 @ 30FPS is practical for conferencing.
    A 3000x2000 picture on a webcam, would only be suitable
    with Bill Gates 10GbE Internet connection :-) When I have
    to use video conference, it's handy using 640x480,
    because you can use the "digital pan" control on a
    good webcam and frame your head in the picture without
    having to scrunch down in your chair. You can sit normally
    and select just a portion out of a bigger picture being
    captured. I think mine is selecting 640x480 out of
    a maximum of 1600x1200 pixels.

    If you force the camera to capture the larger picture,
    like 1600x1200, the frame rate drops to 5FPS due to the
    USB cable. The 640x480 gives full 30FPS and when
    you wave your hand through the picture, it's a smooth
    wave (as long as your Internet connection can do
    around 1Mbit/sec up).

    Since conferencing is normally quite a sad affair, you
    could just as easily substitute a static image of yourself
    sitting in the chair and no-one would notice. The important
    part, is having a good audio setup. I use headphones, even
    though the conference is echo-suppressed, as then there's
    no way for squeals or howls from the kit. For a microphone,
    I use a separate mic on a home made boom. That's to keep
    the microphone away from the webcam autofocus motor.

      Paul

    Thanks for the advice Paul. I got one months
    ago with the square jaw and a very small tripod.
    I am usually the first on the jit.se meeting
    scene and try to keep my video rate down, Yes people
    do notice that an image is not moving. I paid about
    $15 bucks for my camera which is not a great one.

    Again thanks for the advice.

    bliss--“Nearly any fool can use a GNU/Linux computer. Many do.” After
    all here I am...

    --
    bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Mon Jul 19 21:10:13 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    Debian Bastard <"art@deb.de"> wrote in news:s6ma4p$abi$1
    @news.mixmin.net:

    The secret

    Oh boy! It's Deadbeat Debian Bats Turd... Guano Boy.
    Hey, guano boy... stay in the computer groups. You stink.
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Mon Jul 19 21:19:20 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:s6rj6u$p24$1@dont-email.me:

    On 04/05/2021 14:27, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
    On 04.05.2021 14:10, Heinz Schmitz wrote:
    Debian Bastard wrote:

    [...] So buying a PC or
    laptop without Windows will simply cost you more. Most stores
    however simply refuse you to sell the PC or laptop if you don't
    want Windows.

    Buy the components and build your own PC. Bill will never know
    :-).

    (I haven't read the triple-posted rant of the OP; looked like
    spam.)

    Hereabouts there are companies who sell PCs with Linux
    pre-installed, and other companies that sell "empty" notebooks
    (without OS) at least for students, and these PCs are also
    cheaper without the MS license. Assembling one is, of course,
    another option since decades where all components in the PC
    market are widely standardized. Occasionally there's a chance
    that you can inherit an older Windows PC from your company that
    fits well for a resource-efficient Linux installation. (Been
    there just recently.) These days I plan to de-Apple a macbook
    that hasn't been updated (for "political" reasons) since many
    years and refuses to continue running with the old MacOS-X. Who
    cares what MS does when there's still enough options. (The
    producers of drivers and applications is the bigger problem.)

    Lots of choices here:
    <https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=hardware>

    In Europe have a look here if you want a laptop: <https://laptopwithlinux.com/>
    Any of those with Win10 will cost extra.


    Not to mention that nearly all of them will boot linux on a thumb
    drive. Several choices.

    I have SSDs loaded with linux and stuck into a USB external bay,it
    becomes a main OS storage spot. I have several with different
    releases on them. My Cubox had a weird bootloader. It ran several
    different distros from Ubu to those A/V multimedia jobs.2" x 2" x 2".
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org to alt.os.linux.ubuntu on Mon Jul 19 21:32:09 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

    Heinz Schmitz <HeinzSchmitz@kra.org> wrote in news:bns49g5293j18ve940nhlb0fblo0r6sh2c@4ax.com:

    mechanic wrote:

    On Tue, 4 May 2021 14:46:06 +0100, Jeff Layman wrote:

    In Europe have a look here if you want a laptop:
    <https://laptopwithlinux.com/>
    Any of those with Win10 will cost extra.

    These are nice, and the NUCs on the site are too.

    As most anybody nowadays will throw away their equipment as
    soon as a trace of dust is visible on it, ebay is a good source for components, if you avoid to fall prey to a junk-seller. Much money
    to be saved thus, and still usable parts rescued from the dump.

    Regards,
    H.

    I have a friend who is an old boss of mine and he would spend a
    quarter million dollars on ebay and get about 3 million dolars worth
    of test equipment. Then he would build a lab, develop a product,
    then sell the business and do it all over again. Did it about three
    times I know of alone. He also buys houses and tears it down except
    for one wall, then builds a mansion around it. He bought a 2600 sq
    ft house in Virginia with about an acre and a half. He brought in
    600 loads of fill for the back yard to make it slope easily down to
    the creek. He put in a well and a buried propane vessel. He turned
    the house into a 7500 sq ft mansion with Cherry floors and stairs and
    Cherry everything and Chinese marble in all the wet spaces... 5
    baths all with their own jucuzzi and shower and a sixth downstairs
    where his HUGE office and conference room and Half million dollar RF
    lab are (were) at.

    It is for sale at 2.3 M. All the other houses in the area are in
    the 2600 sq ft range. It dwarfs them. There are truly rich guy
    houses just down the street though. Way out of our league. So funny
    how so many of them make their houses look like castles with parapets
    and such.

    It costs him $40k a year just to keep it.
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