• Hawaii Had Almost 0 Active Cases - Opened, Now Has 7,000+

    From Intelligent Party@Intelligent@savetheworldmsn.com to sac.politics,ca.general,alt.california,ca.politics,ny.politics,nyc.politics on Sun Sep 13 12:38:10 2020
    From Newsgroup: nyc.politics

    And they arrested Californians on vacation, violating 14-day Quarantine. What good did that do now?

    Currently, September 12th, 7,073 active cases: https://web.archive.org/web/20200913185419/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

    May 7th Archive - 47 active cases: https://web.archive.org/web/20200508092347/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/


    "Governor Ige began the first phase of reopening on businesses on May 7, 2020." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Hawaii



    It's all that's going to happen anywhere. As soon as there are a few cases, and
    they open up, it will start spreading again. I imagine we would have to have 0
    active cases for 3-4 months, to truly consider it eradicated. So many people may
    have COVID and not know it. It's been over 6 months now, and we have to make this
    sustainable. We may have a vaccine in 6 months+, or not for decades. No one knows the future. We have to make this sustainable for now.

    The Restaurant industry is 4% of the economy and 10% of the workforce. It's a $899 Billion dollar industry which employs 15 million people, including 2.5 million waiters, and more busboys. These people don't produce any equity, and we
    can thus afford them to still spend, if they are put out of a job. Switching to
    all take-out will lower take-out prices in the long run, as it saves on dinning
    room costs. Employing people to commit self-harm and expose themselves to COVID
    for non-essential purposes, yet for your own entertainment, is criminal exploitation. We can still have business lunches if necessary on Corporate office
    building private terraces with take-out.

    Just a thought.


    People eating and drinking, and talking with their masks off at restaurants and
    commercial parties, are the ones certainly spreading COVID. Commercial indoor entertainment which requires masks off, should probably be stopped in every State.
    People talking and socializing, face-to-face, while eating and drinking with their masks off, are likely spewing spit in each other's faces. (A drive-in theater, with a drive-thru restaurant, would be better though, and as to a comparison to the office...). This is entirely stupid for entertainment. The stupidest thing would be to be in a room with someone you're not going to talk to,
    for non-essential activities.

    It should be emphasized, that children can have friends over. You should only be
    having intimate parties with your close friends in your own home.
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  • From Intelligent Party@Intelligent@savetheworldmsn.com to sac.politics,ca.general,alt.california,ca.politics,ny.politics,nyc.politics on Wed Sep 16 17:23:34 2020
    From Newsgroup: nyc.politics

    Bumping to emphasize the danger. As soon as you let up your guard, COVID will start to spread. Of course this has to be balanced against the economy, but Waiters and busboys don't produce any equity. We can thus afford them to still
    spend, if they are put out of a job. So why don't we just pay them to stay at home;

    And switch to all take-out.

    The restaurant will still sell as much food by take-out. People still need to eat.

    The restaurant will be able to get rid of dinning room costs, and thereby turn more a profit or reduce prices, as people are forced to not dine in.

    The Restaurant industry employs 2.5 million waiters, and more busboys.

    Employing people to commit self-harm and expose themselves to COVID for non-essential purposes, yet for your own entertainment, is criminal exploitation.
    We can still have business lunches if necessary on Corporate office building private terraces with take-out.

    Just a thought.

    It's been over 6 months. We have to make things sustainable now.


    COVID may be here in 3 years. It may be here in 3.5 years. It will not be gone
    until it is gone. So any COVID Response has to be sustainable. No one knows the
    future.

    COVID exemplifies government errors and civilization's social problems.

    Socialism becomes all the more pertinent in a time of crisis, not that it wasn't
    always right and pertinent anyway. Because people are hurting much more.

    We may have a vaccine in 6 months+, or not for decades. No one knows the future.

    It should be emphasized, that children can have friends over. In your own home
    you should only be having intimate parties with your close friends. Work from home if/when you can, should remain. We should raise the minimum wage to 65% per
    capita GDP of the County over the next year or two, and provide hiring incentives.
    Underemployment masks true unemployment.

    Wear a mask if you're liable to be in close proximity to strangers/those not willfully near you.



    COVID prohibitions should all be based on the principles of Employee and Consumer
    protections. Firefighters have to put their lives in danger. The general principle of employment law is the work ought not be unnecessarily dangerous, injurious, painful, or unsanitary/poisonous. If people had money so they didn't
    have to work, perhaps you could let them make their own decisions. As they have
    to work or die, you have to stop them from being criminally exploited. The other
    side of that coin is taking their job away, which means you have to provide them
    with an education and ability to find new employment.

    As for Consumers: Advisement, Marketing, Advertising, and Product Labeling should
    be required and regulated. Prohibition has no place for Consumers.

    "The Congress shall have Power To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes." - U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 3

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of
    the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the
    Government for a redress of grievances." - U.S. Constitution, 1st Amendment


    The restaurant industry is almost $1 Trillion in Sales Revenues, and employs 10%
    of the workforce:

    United States Restaurant Industry: (From Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia)
    "The US restaurant industry was projected at $899 billion in sales for 2020 by the
    National Restaurant Association, the main trade association for the industry in
    the United States. An estimated 99% of companies in the industry are family-owned
    small businesses with fewer than 50 employees. The industry as a whole as of February of 2020 employed more than 15 million people, representing 10% of the workforce directly. It is the nation's second largest private employer and the
    third largest employer overall. It indirectly employed close to *another* 10% when dependent businesses such as food producers, trucking, and delivery services
    were factored in, according to Ohio restaurateur Britney Ruby Miller. In Delaware
    and Massachusetts, one in ten workers is employed in the restaurant industry. In
    North Carolina, 11% of workers are employed by the industry. In Texas, 12% of workers were employed by the industry as of 2016.

    $899 billion: Was restaurant industry's projected sales in 2020.
    /$22,321 Billion Total U.S. GDP = 4.028% GDP

    The effect of the 2020 coronavirus epidemic was in March of 2020 projected to be
    $225 billion in losses." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_restaurant_industry


    On 9/13/2020 12:38 PM, Intelligent Party wrote:
    And they arrested Californians on vacation, violating 14-day Quarantine. What
    good did that do now?

    Currently, September 12th, 7,073 active cases: https://web.archive.org/web/20200913185419/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/


    May 7th Archive - 47 active cases: https://web.archive.org/web/20200508092347/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/


    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/


    "Governor Ige began the first phase of reopening on businesses on May 7, 2020."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Hawaii



    It's all that's going to happen anywhere. As soon as there are a few cases, and
    they open up, it will start spreading again. I imagine we would have to have 0
    active cases for 3-4 months, to truly consider it eradicated. So many people may
    have COVID and not know it. It's been over 6 months now, and we have to make this
    sustainable. We may have a vaccine in 6 months+, or not for decades. No one knows the future. We have to make this sustainable for now.

    The Restaurant industry is 4% of the economy and 10% of the workforce. It's a
    $899 Billion dollar industry which employs 15 million people, including 2.5 million waiters, and more busboys. These people don't produce any equity, and we
    can thus afford them to still spend, if they are put out of a job. Switching to
    all take-out will lower take-out prices in the long run, as it saves on dinning
    room costs. Employing people to commit self-harm and expose themselves to COVID
    for non-essential purposes, yet for your own entertainment, is criminal exploitation. We can still have business lunches if necessary on Corporate office
    building private terraces with take-out.

    Just a thought.


    People eating and drinking, and talking with their masks off at restaurants and
    commercial parties, are the ones certainly spreading COVID. Commercial indoor
    entertainment which requires masks off, should probably be stopped in every State.
    People talking and socializing, face-to-face, while eating and drinking with their masks off, are likely spewing spit in each other's faces. (A drive-in theater, with a drive-thru restaurant, would be better though, and as to a comparison to the office...). This is entirely stupid for entertainment. The
    stupidest thing would be to be in a room with someone you're not going to talk to,
    for non-essential activities.

    It should be emphasized, that children can have friends over. You should only be
    having intimate parties with your close friends in your own home.

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  • From Intelligent Party@Intelligent@savetheworldmsn.com to sac.politics,ca.general,alt.california,ca.politics,ny.politics,nyc.politics on Wed Sep 16 17:42:57 2020
    From Newsgroup: nyc.politics

    On 9/16/2020 5:23 PM, Intelligent Party wrote:
    Bumping to emphasize the danger. As soon as you let up your guard, COVID will
    start to spread. Of course this has to be balanced against the economy, but Waiters and busboys don't produce any equity. We can thus afford them to still
    spend, if they are put out of a job. So why don't we just pay them to stay at home;

    And switch to all take-out.

    The restaurant will still sell as much food by take-out. People still need to eat.

    So, thinking about this more, did the restaurants sell just as much during stay-at-home? Is take-out actually *more* profitable for not having to pay waiters and busboys, but as soon as the other restaurants open to dine-in, consumers are eating from there and not buying take-out from you, so you have to
    open? Did, on the other hand, consumers take-out from less fancy establishments
    more often during stay-at-home?

    The restaurant will be able to get rid of dinning room costs, and thereby turn
    more a profit or reduce prices, as people are forced to not dine in.

    The Restaurant industry employs 2.5 million waiters, and more busboys.

    Employing people to commit self-harm and expose themselves to COVID for non-essential purposes, yet for your own entertainment, is criminal exploitation.
    We can still have business lunches if necessary on Corporate office building private terraces with take-out.

    Just a thought.

    It's been over 6 months. We have to make things sustainable now.


    COVID may be here in 3 years. It may be here in 3.5 years. It will not be gone
    until it is gone. So any COVID Response has to be sustainable. No one knows the
    future.

    COVID exemplifies government errors and civilization's social problems.

    Socialism becomes all the more pertinent in a time of crisis, not that it wasn't
    always right and pertinent anyway. Because people are hurting much more.

    We may have a vaccine in 6 months+, or not for decades. No one knows the future.

    It should be emphasized, that children can have friends over. In your own home
    you should only be having intimate parties with your close friends. Work from
    home if/when you can, should remain. We should raise the minimum wage to 65% per
    capita GDP of the County over the next year or two, and provide hiring incentives.
    Underemployment masks true unemployment.

    Wear a mask if you're liable to be in close proximity to strangers/those not willfully near you.



    COVID prohibitions should all be based on the principles of Employee and Consumer
    protections. Firefighters have to put their lives in danger. The general principle of employment law is the work ought not be unnecessarily dangerous, injurious, painful, or unsanitary/poisonous. If people had money so they didn't
    have to work, perhaps you could let them make their own decisions. As they have
    to work or die, you have to stop them from being criminally exploited. The other
    side of that coin is taking their job away, which means you have to provide them
    with an education and ability to find new employment.

    As for Consumers: Advisement, Marketing, Advertising, and Product Labeling should
    be required and regulated. Prohibition has no place for Consumers.

    "The Congress shall have Power To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes." - U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 3

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of
    the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the
    Government for a redress of grievances." - U.S. Constitution, 1st Amendment


    The restaurant industry is almost $1 Trillion in Sales Revenues, and employs 10%
    of the workforce:

    United States Restaurant Industry: (From Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia) "The US restaurant industry was projected at $899 billion in sales for 2020 by the
    National Restaurant Association, the main trade association for the industry in
    the United States. An estimated 99% of companies in the industry are family-owned
    small businesses with fewer than 50 employees. The industry as a whole as of February of 2020 employed more than 15 million people, representing 10% of the
    workforce directly. It is the nation's second largest private employer and the
    third largest employer overall. It indirectly employed close to *another* 10%
    when dependent businesses such as food producers, trucking, and delivery services
    were factored in, according to Ohio restaurateur Britney Ruby Miller. In Delaware
    and Massachusetts, one in ten workers is employed in the restaurant industry. In
    North Carolina, 11% of workers are employed by the industry. In Texas, 12% of
    workers were employed by the industry as of 2016.

    $899 billion: Was restaurant industry's projected sales in 2020.
    /$22,321 Billion Total U.S. GDP = 4.028% GDP

    The effect of the 2020 coronavirus epidemic was in March of 2020 projected to be
    $225 billion in losses." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_restaurant_industry


    On 9/13/2020 12:38 PM, Intelligent Party wrote:
    And they arrested Californians on vacation, violating 14-day Quarantine. What
    good did that do now?

    Currently, September 12th, 7,073 active cases:
    https://web.archive.org/web/20200913185419/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/



    May 7th Archive - 47 active cases:
    https://web.archive.org/web/20200508092347/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/



    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/


    "Governor Ige began the first phase of reopening on businesses on May 7, 2020."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Hawaii



    It's all that's going to happen anywhere. As soon as there are a few cases, and
    they open up, it will start spreading again. I imagine we would have to have 0
    active cases for 3-4 months, to truly consider it eradicated. So many people may
    have COVID and not know it. It's been over 6 months now, and we have to make this
    sustainable. We may have a vaccine in 6 months+, or not for decades. No one
    knows the future. We have to make this sustainable for now.

    The Restaurant industry is 4% of the economy and 10% of the workforce. It's a
    $899 Billion dollar industry which employs 15 million people, including 2.5 >> million waiters, and more busboys. These people don't produce any equity, and we
    can thus afford them to still spend, if they are put out of a job. Switching to
    all take-out will lower take-out prices in the long run, as it saves on dinning
    room costs. Employing people to commit self-harm and expose themselves to COVID
    for non-essential purposes, yet for your own entertainment, is criminal
    exploitation. We can still have business lunches if necessary on Corporate office
    building private terraces with take-out.

    Just a thought.


    People eating and drinking, and talking with their masks off at restaurants and
    commercial parties, are the ones certainly spreading COVID. Commercial indoor
    entertainment which requires masks off, should probably be stopped in every State.
    People talking and socializing, face-to-face, while eating and drinking with
    their masks off, are likely spewing spit in each other's faces. (A drive-in >> theater, with a drive-thru restaurant, would be better though, and as to a >> comparison to the office...). This is entirely stupid for entertainment. The
    stupidest thing would be to be in a room with someone you're not going to talk to,
    for non-essential activities.

    It should be emphasized, that children can have friends over. You should only be
    having intimate parties with your close friends in your own home.


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