• Health Clubs Are An Essential Activity - Here's Some Science On COVID

    From Intelligent Party@Intelligent@savetheworldmsn.com to sac.politics,ca.general,alt.california,ca.politics,ny.politics,nyc.politics on Sun Oct 11 09:55:45 2020
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    I don't have a moral mandate, but after seeing 24 Hour Fitness and Gold's Gym, 2
    of the largest health clubs chains in the industry, declare bankruptcy, I am appalled. I declare we should at least just keep paying club dues, to keep our
    clubs alive. If the Health Club industry actually MAKES money off of this, by saving on operating costs during COVID, we'll BUILD the health club industry, which WANTS. At least say you can quit the club without penalty, and get your membership back after COVID, without penalty, but OTHERWISE they'll keep charging
    you. So it's like a donation, but you have to care, to not donate. This is a club, not an a la carte restaurant. While other than that, I don't have a moral
    mandate, here are some of my thoughts:

    Some people need to exercise to stay healthy. They may be recovering from physical therapy and have more serious health issues which require exercise. That
    this point, is not factored in, at least for them, is an abominable error, but everyone needs exercise, and we don't all have home gyms.

    People eating and drinking, and talking with their masks off at restaurants and
    commercial parties, are the ones certainly spreading COVID. Commercial indoor entertainment which requires masks off, should probably be stopped in every State.
    So you could be in a movie theater with no popcorn, no food, and no drink, wearing a mask, social distanced. This would be safer than a bar or a restaurant
    where people talk and socialize face to face while eating and drinking with their
    masks off, likely spewing spit in each other's faces. (A drive-in theater, with a
    drive-thru restaurant, would be better though, and as to a comparison to the office...). And then their COVID laced plates are bused by the busboy.

    Why isn't there a map, showing every new case of COVID - at least the street, if
    not address, and where they likely picked it up. What if several people had gotten COVID at a certain store, wouldn't it make you think maybe the ventilation
    wasn't sufficient there, and you wouldn't shop there, reducing the number of COVID
    cases?

    Outdoors masks off, or indoors masks on - which is safer?

    I understand OUTDOOR restaurants are open for one reason and one reason only, and
    that is the $899 Billion dollar industry that employs 10% of the workforce, and
    makes up 4% of U.S. GDP, $889 Billion/$20 Trillion = 4.5%. 15 million people are
    employed by the restaurant industry, while nationwide there the number of total
    tax returns in the United States in all industries was 110 Million full-time, and
    160 million including part time.

    If the switch to all take-out was made, what would be the effect on the economy?

    Waiters and busboys aren't producing equity anyways. It's not a product, but a
    service! Like paying a whore vs. a porn star. At least we'll have those Pornos
    forever.

    After Shelter-In-Place was over, California was 6 weeks with no masks on, at Restaurants and Bars and Commercial Parties, where they drink beer, with masks off, and now the Governor wants to fuck with the gyms and churches.

    Gyms could enact extra safety measures, such as stationary equipment 6' or 12' or
    25' apart, and be inspected for fresh air and ventilation. Churches can obviously
    hold services outdoors with masks, and 6' apart (but not so much when the snow comes in other States), but they certainly don't have to, and have the prerogative
    to make that call themselves.

    People using gyms are moving around, and more likely healthy. People in Churches,
    are more conscientious, and likely to wear their masks correctly; unlike an NFL
    stadium, and unlike a drunken bar or commercial party.

    I note no one advised Churches everywhere across the country, to just hold services outside, all this time, or at a park. Governors have every right to advise, and plead with churches to modify their activities, however well or mal-founded their notions may be, unless the Churches tell them to stop harassing;
    and no one, has any more right, to threaten or force Churches, nor private parties, than I have a right to threaten or force anyone. The stupidest thing in
    the world is to be inside without a mask on, for non-essential activities, in a
    room with someone you will not even talk to.

    Healthclubs should be open, and strongly cautioned against, yet those who choose
    to use them, should be monitored for Coronavirus, so we find out if it is spreading among those who use clubs at all, and continue monitoring unless COVID
    is ever gone. So healthclub patrons can be guineapigs, and we'll see. So a big
    point would be: have you used a healthclub in the past so many days/weeks, for anyone who tests positive. I would not be surprised if it is not spreading there
    at all.

    Some people need to exercise to stay healthy. They may be recovering from physical therapy and have more serious health issues which require exercise. That
    this point, is not factored in, at least for them, is an abominable error, but everyone needs exercise, and we don't all have home gyms.

    People eating and drinking, and talking with their masks off at restaurants and
    commercial parties, are the ones certainly spreading COVID.


    Biggest question besides the above, is personal services: hair salons, nail salons, waxing, tattoo and piercing parlors, non-medicinal massages.

    So then are those activities going to be outside too? Should every place have some sort of super fresh air machines we produce now? Are there air purifiers that could filter out COVID? Is outside really going to be safe?

    It's been 6 months, we have to make this sustainable, without putting our lives at
    too great of risk. It could be 6 years.

    What's with open up the economy as soon as COVID's reduced, and let it spread again, just to close it again? It would have to be eradicated for 3-4 months or
    it will just start spreading again.

    WE HAVE TO GO TO SUSTAINABLE SOLUTIONS, AND AREN'T THE EAT-IN RESTAURANTS ALL TO
    BLAME? How do we know? How do we know where it's spreading? We don't have better tracking of this?

    New York and New Jersey, were apparently succeeding better than California, even
    though they had eat-in restaurants, but they have since for some reason fallen substantially.
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