• Ad Astra

    From TomBenton@TomBenton@agent.com to rec.arts.movies.current-films on Sun Mar 14 11:45:27 2021
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    I know I'm in the minority on this but I found this movie to be a
    deadly bore. I never related to the main character at all. And he
    was pretty much the whole show.

    Maybe I've seen too much on TV and in the movies about people with
    daddy issues but I had trouble staying awake.

    I'd like to hear from someone who liked the movie. Maybe I missed
    something.


    Tom Benton

    There are good days and there are bad days, and this is one of them.
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  • From moviePig@pwallace@moviepig.com to rec.arts.movies.current-films on Sun Mar 14 11:51:15 2021
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    On 3/14/2021 11:45 AM, TomBenton@agent.com wrote:
    I know I'm in the minority on this but I found this movie to be a
    deadly bore. I never related to the main character at all. And he
    was pretty much the whole show.

    Maybe I've seen too much on TV and in the movies about people with
    daddy issues but I had trouble staying awake.

    I'd like to hear from someone who liked the movie. Maybe I missed
    something.

    I liked it pretty well, but doubt you missed much. (Not a paradox.)
    Fwiw, here's an earlier thread:


    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.movies.current-films/c/JIR3yZI-HAA/m/TQT0RVm2AAAJ


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  • From Arthur Lipscomb@arthur@alum.calberkeley.org to rec.arts.movies.current-films on Sun Mar 14 10:14:43 2021
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    On 3/14/2021 8:51 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/14/2021 11:45 AM, TomBenton@agent.com wrote:
    I know I'm in the minority on this but I found this movie to be a
    deadly bore.

    I think that's actually the majority opinion.

    I never related to the main character at all. And he
    was pretty much the whole show.

    Maybe I've seen too much on TV and in the movies about people with
    daddy issues but I had trouble staying awake.

    I'd like to hear from someone who liked the movie. Maybe I missed
    something.

    I liked it pretty well, but doubt you missed much. (Not a paradox.)
    Fwiw, here's an earlier thread:


    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.movies.current-films/c/JIR3yZI-HAA/m/TQT0RVm2AAAJ





    I didn't really like it the first time I saw it. But I recently watched
    it again and liked it a lot more on second viewing. I think it helped
    going in with adjusted expectations, and accepting that the movie isn't
    trying to be an action flick, even though that's sort of how it was
    sold. I think it would help if you thought of it more in the mold of
    2001 or Solaris.
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  • From william ahearn@wlahearn@gmail.com to rec.arts.movies.current-films on Sun Mar 14 12:21:11 2021
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    On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 11:45:29 AM UTC-4, TomB...@agent.com wrote:
    I know I'm in the minority on this but I found this movie to be a
    deadly bore. I never related to the main character at all. And he
    was pretty much the whole show.

    Maybe I've seen too much on TV and in the movies about people with
    daddy issues but I had trouble staying awake.

    I'd like to hear from someone who liked the movie. Maybe I missed
    something.

    Utterly forgettable movie. So, you're not alone. Had to check on wiki to see if I had seen it.
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  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to rec.arts.movies.current-films on Mon Mar 15 08:40:34 2021
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    On 2021-03-14 19:21:11 +0000, william ahearn said:
    On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 11:45:29 AM UTC-4, TomB...@agent.com wrote:

    I know I'm in the minority on this but I found this movie to be a
    deadly bore. I never related to the main character at all. And he
    was pretty much the whole show.

    Maybe I've seen too much on TV and in the movies about people with
    daddy issues but I had trouble staying awake.

    I'd like to hear from someone who liked the movie. Maybe I missed
    something.

    Utterly forgettable movie. So, you're not alone. Had to check on wiki
    to see if I had seen it.

    It's Brad Pitt-iful, so it's bound to be forgettable garbage.

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  • From Flasherly@Flasherly@live.com to rec.arts.movies.current-films on Sun Mar 14 15:43:04 2021
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    On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 11:45:27 -0400, TomBenton@agent.com wrote:

    I found this movie to be adeadly bore

    -
    I saw it but with less a lasting impression than cursorily to confirm
    indeed to have watched what is less than, obviously, sheer vagueness
    deserves for any residual effect it may, regrettably, in any event,
    have had then saliently to present.

    In fact, it's exactly like going to IMDB, only this very moment, to
    see all the negative reactions surrealistically Red Starred
    inconsiderable and censured for psychotropical American Spoiltiers.

    Somehow, however, they missed this one who, it would seem, barely
    managed to have escaped with a story for the tell:

    During a September 2019 interview on National Public Radio's "Morning
    Edition," director and co-writer James Gray said that he created his
    own playlist for himself to listen to through his headphones as he was directing the movie. Among the works on that playlist were: electronic
    drones by Eliane Radigue, sitar music by Ravi Shankar, the Peer Gynt
    Suite by Edvard Grieg; The Planets by Gustav Holst, the fourth
    movement of "The Rothko Chapel" by Morton Feldman, music by Krzysztof Penderecki, and electromagnetic wave transmissions from outer space,
    including from the planet Jupiter. Gray also played some of these for
    the cast and crew to communicate a mood during filming.
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  • From TomBenton@TomBenton@agent.com to rec.arts.movies.current-films on Sun Mar 14 18:31:32 2021
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    On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 15:43:04 -0400, Flasherly <Flasherly@live.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 11:45:27 -0400, TomBenton@agent.com wrote:

    I found this movie to be adeadly bore

    -
    I saw it but with less a lasting impression than cursorily to confirm
    indeed to have watched what is less than, obviously, sheer vagueness
    deserves for any residual effect it may, regrettably, in any event,
    have had then saliently to present.

    In fact, it's exactly like going to IMDB, only this very moment, to
    see all the negative reactions surrealistically Red Starred
    inconsiderable and censured for psychotropical American Spoiltiers.

    Somehow, however, they missed this one who, it would seem, barely
    managed to have escaped with a story for the tell:

    During a September 2019 interview on National Public Radio's "Morning >Edition," director and co-writer James Gray said that he created his
    own playlist for himself to listen to through his headphones as he was >directing the movie. Among the works on that playlist were: electronic
    drones by Eliane Radigue, sitar music by Ravi Shankar, the Peer Gynt
    Suite by Edvard Grieg; The Planets by Gustav Holst, the fourth
    movement of "The Rothko Chapel" by Morton Feldman, music by Krzysztof >Penderecki, and electromagnetic wave transmissions from outer space, >including from the planet Jupiter. Gray also played some of these for
    the cast and crew to communicate a mood during filming.


    I'm not sure I understand all you wrote, but it looks like you didn't
    like it all that much either.
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  • From Neill Massello@nmassello@yahoo.com to rec.arts.movies.current-films on Mon Mar 15 00:06:16 2021
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    On 2021-03-14 at 11:14:43 MDT, "Arthur Lipscomb" <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:

    On 3/14/2021 8:51 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/14/2021 11:45 AM, TomBenton@agent.com wrote:
    I know I'm in the minority on this but I found this movie to be a
    deadly bore.

    I think that's actually the majority opinion.

    Wikipedia reports that it grossed about $135M worldwide, with an estimated production cost of $80M.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_Astra_(film)>

    So, not a colossal flop, but definitely not a hit.



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  • From Flasherly@Flasherly@live.com to rec.arts.movies.current-films on Sun Mar 14 22:46:58 2021
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    On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 18:31:32 -0400, TomBenton@agent.com wrote:

    I'm not sure I understand all you wrote, but it looks like you didn't
    like it all that much either.

    Quite the serious song list.

    -

    I'm Designer

    My generation’s for sale
    Beats a steady job.
    How much have you got?
    My generation don’t trust no one
    Its hard to blame
    Not even ourselves
    The thing that’s real for us is: Fortune and Fame
    All the rest seems like work.
    Its just like Diamonds
    In shit

    I’m high class I’m a Whore
    Actually both
    Basically I'm a Pro
    We’ve all got our own style
    Of Baggage
    Why hump it yourself?
    You’ve made me an offer that I can refuse
    Cos' either way I get screwed
    COUNTER PROPOSAL:
    I go home and Jerk Off

    It’s truly a lie. I counterfeit myself
    It’s truly a lie. I counterfeit myself
    You don’t own, you don’t own, you don’t own
    You don’t own what none can buy
    You don’t own
    YOU DON'T OWN
    Neither do I

    High and mighty you say selling out is a shame.
    Is that the name of your book?
    Push a silver spoon in your ass. No more holding us DOWN
    Down, down, dog down. Mutt. Nice mutt

    You’re insulted You can’t be bought or sold.
    TRANSLATION: offer too low
    You don’t know what you’re worth.
    It isn’t much
    My piano is for sale.
    How many times must I sell myself,
    before my pieces are gone?
    I’m one of a kind!!!

    _I’m Designer !_

    Never again will I repeat myself
    Enough is never enough
    Never again will I repeat myself

    It used to be the plan was: SCREWING THE MAN
    Now it's HAVE SEX WITH A MAN
    (after he buys you dot-com for sale at a low, low price)

    It’s truly a lie, I counterfeit myself
    Its truly a lie, I counterfeit myself
    You don’t own , you don’t own, you don’t own me
    You don’t own what none can buy
    You don’t own
    YOU DON'T OWN
    neither do I

    -
    (circa: Era Vulgaris)
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  • From danny burstein@dannyb@panix.com to rec.arts.movies.current-films on Mon Mar 15 03:01:38 2021
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    [snip]

    My review back then in another venue:

    "Ad Astra" => "Ad Nauseum"


    --
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    Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
    dannyb@panix.com
    [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]
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  • From Flasherly@Flasherly@live.com to rec.arts.movies.current-films on Mon Mar 15 00:59:47 2021
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    On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 03:01:38 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein
    <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:

    [snip]

    My review back then in another venue:

    "Ad Astra" => "Ad Nauseum"

    There's no answer. We're all, besides, characteristically individual
    at some overlap of age and development, just not objectively social
    about what, for others, makes producing (for themselves, obviously)
    about money. Ad Astra picked up 3000+ reviews written in English on
    IMDB. Not bad for a guy who sat there in a chair, headsets on while
    listening to Ravi Shankar, the is only one listed of musical
    composers, offhand, I do recognize, inclusively, among what I do not
    have in my particular musical selections.

    Characteristically, I care not to watch most films more than once,
    because, characteristically, for the most there's no further personal
    appeal. Science and fantasy are often indistinguishable for a leeway
    of films I do collect. Rod Steiger in The Illustrated Man or David
    Bowie's The Man Who Fell to Earth are personal limits of an earliest
    populist exposure, not long before Sci-Fi busts out with Alien or
    Blade Runner. Still, that's the early 70's of the late last century;-
    fifty years, additionally, covers a lot of ground for roughly an
    half-&-half mix of drama, ostensibly posed for reality, and escapist scifi/fantasy fare.

    Perhaps, by now, I've a thousand titles collected, for the greater
    portion, produced within half a century;- Ten- or twenty-percent I
    might safely say can be practically lost, grown out of and apart from characteristic fashion and never again to be watched;- In sum to
    arrive at a mean number of films I can call collectibles, maybe
    five-hundred titles will do, for what I'll recognize to watch more or
    less periodically.

    To another character the thought of keeping films around to repeatedly
    watch is almost abhorrent. Which is my reaction, much the same, to
    much that passes by among recent film releases, it seems, if even
    fewer candidates to keep, regardless whether they are, or not,
    patently offensive. Characteristically, on one hand, they're simply
    not subjectively of a matter to be affected by;- Subjectively, on the
    other hand, there can neither be a defensible objectivism why, among five-hundred titles, no doubt, for certainly some portion thereof, to
    be not other but abominations to another character's particular
    appraisal.

    Leaving what is an empirical notion to my way of thinking (sideways)
    -- five-hundred titles is a lot of selections for whiling the times
    between "peeking out" for a chance on a new release, if not quickly
    previewed, unsuitably mistaken to drop, at least to not be best
    rendered insensible halfway through in like reaction.

    Chris Pratt and Passengers, maybe four years ago, is, with a
    charitable amount of time for wading between, or would seem the last
    sci-fi offhand I liked well enough, being still equitably disposed to
    have keep around.
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  • From alvey@alvey@is.invalid to rec.arts.movies.current-films on Tue Mar 16 06:13:22 2021
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    On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 15:43:04 -0400, Flasherly wrote:


    During a September 2019 interview on National Public Radio's "Morning Edition," director and co-writer James Gray said that he created his
    own playlist for himself to listen to through his headphones as he was directing the movie. Among the works on that playlist were: electronic
    drones by Eliane Radigue, sitar music by Ravi Shankar, the Peer Gynt
    Suite by Edvard Grieg; The Planets by Gustav Holst, the fourth
    movement of "The Rothko Chapel" by Morton Feldman, music by Krzysztof Penderecki, and electromagnetic wave transmissions from outer space, including from the planet Jupiter.

    And that's exactly how the movie turned out. As a load of pseudo
    intellectual wankery.


    alvey
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  • From Flasherly@Flasherly@live.com to rec.arts.movies.current-films on Mon Mar 15 20:52:20 2021
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    On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 06:13:22 +1000, alvey <alvey@is.invalid> wrote:

    And that's exactly how the movie turned out. As a load of pseudo
    intellectual wankery.

    That's what he said. My initial premise is there isn't anything I've
    chosen to remember. Unlike reoccurring barrages of commercial jingoes,
    a big marketing budget, I went off the grid ages ago. In fact I've
    never quite gotten correctly plugged since, in the first place, to
    civilized Western culture after spells of living the Middle and Far
    East.

    Just dull points of incoherence that float in my mind lingering from
    films vaguely identifiable I know I wouldn't watch. Even style alone
    is enough -- acting, as it were, with a megaphone strapped to ones
    face: Yelling out diatribes in spittle-flecked foam at hard-hearing
    audiences from a stage floor, gesturing importunately in wildly
    exaggerated emotional cues to a dim row lightbulbs below of
    unappreciative Romans who simply hated, of course a common sort,
    affectations Greek bearing and mannerisms with a deeply seated
    hypocrisy not unusually reserved for whores.

    So, there they are, floating. As if were to turn half-an-ear to
    listen to them, no less gladly in counterproposal, surely they've all
    alike something to say;- dare I say, some pseudo intellectual wankery
    would be just jimdandy. But that's NPR, not the BBC where I've also
    lived. As for wanking on it, how that works, as a yank (possibly more
    easily) might say -- it's just one part to a play about showbiz.
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  • From super70s@super70s@super70s.invalid to rec.arts.movies.current-films on Wed Mar 17 15:18:06 2021
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    In article <9b0f7908-297c-404b-ba52-8d7f2ff17f3cn@googlegroups.com>,
    william ahearn <wlahearn@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 11:45:29 AM UTC-4, TomB...@agent.com wrote:
    I know I'm in the minority on this but I found this movie to be a
    deadly bore. I never related to the main character at all. And he
    was pretty much the whole show.

    Maybe I've seen too much on TV and in the movies about people with
    daddy issues but I had trouble staying awake.

    I'd like to hear from someone who liked the movie. Maybe I missed something.

    Utterly forgettable movie. So, you're not alone. Had to check on wiki to see if I had seen it.

    Yeah I probably watched it 3 times during the last free HBO preview and
    never could get into it.

    Someone brought up Solaris which I have on DVD, I think that's a much
    better film.
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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.movies.current-films on Sun Mar 21 10:58:33 2021
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    In article <s2lga5$125$1@dont-email.me>,
    Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:

    On 3/14/2021 8:51 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/14/2021 11:45 AM, TomBenton@agent.com wrote:
    I know I'm in the minority on this but I found this movie to be a
    deadly bore.

    I think that's actually the majority opinion.

    I never related to the main character at all. And he
    was pretty much the whole show.

    Maybe I've seen too much on TV and in the movies about people with
    daddy issues but I had trouble staying awake.

    I'd like to hear from someone who liked the movie. Maybe I missed
    something.

    I liked it pretty well, but doubt you missed much. (Not a paradox.)
    Fwiw, here's an earlier thread:

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.movies.current-films/c/JIR3yZI-HAA/m/TQ
    T0RVm2AAAJ

    I didn't really like it the first time I saw it. But I recently watched
    it again and liked it a lot more on second viewing. I think it helped
    going in with adjusted expectations, and accepting that the movie isn't trying to be an action flick, even though that's sort of how it was
    sold. I think it would help if you thought of it more in the mold of
    2001 or Solaris.

    I didn't like the moon's variable gravity.
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  • From T987654321@qwrtz123@gmail.com to rec.arts.movies.current-films on Sat Mar 27 11:06:08 2021
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    Good tech, bad script.
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  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to rec.arts.movies.current-films on Sun Mar 28 08:51:45 2021
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    On 2021-03-27 18:06:08 +0000, T987654321 said:

    Good tech, bad script.

    Bad actor

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  • From RichA@rander3128@gmail.com to rec.arts.movies.current-films on Sun Mar 28 00:29:41 2021
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    On Sunday, 14 March 2021 at 11:45:29 UTC-4, TomB...@agent.com wrote:
    I know I'm in the minority on this but I found this movie to be a
    deadly bore. I never related to the main character at all. And he
    was pretty much the whole show.

    Maybe I've seen too much on TV and in the movies about people with
    daddy issues but I had trouble staying awake.

    I'd like to hear from someone who liked the movie. Maybe I missed
    something.


    Tom Benton

    There are good days and there are bad days, and this is one of them.

    I thought it was pretty decent, but selling pure scifi today without spaceship battles, etc., is increasingly difficult when the audience members are more and
    more distanced from real science knowledge. I blame the schools.
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